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Initiative to legalize marijuana will go to voters

Seeded on Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:12 AM EST
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 An initiative seeking to legalize and regulate the recreational use of marijuana will be decided by voters, Washington state lawmakers said Thursday.

If passed, Initiative 502 would make Washington the first state to legalize the recreational use of marijuana. 

 

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roc1960

We will see what happens? Largest cash crop in California.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:08 AM EST
Daniel The Mensch

UH-OH, my socialist-libertarianism is trying to get out, I can't stop it, here it comes......

The Federal Government has never proven that marijuana use poses any more of a public health threat than alchohol or tobacco, two substances who's negative health effects are very well documented yet we seem to manage in a relatively competent manner. I think that for the goverment to deny the of-age citizenry the freedom to use marijuana that they should have to at least be required to prove why. Seems to me that in a free society I would be able to use marijuan and accept the consequences of that use much in the same was as alchohol and tobacco.

Hell, caffiene is drug. We dont know that much about the negative health effects of caffeine yet a 5 year old can go into Starbucks and order a quadruple venti and the goverment has no problem whatsoever with this occurring.

Objectively, it appears that the standards of classification aren't wholey based in the available facts.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:27 PM EST
OneDirtyRat

The answer to the drug problem is to end the spectacularly failed costly Drug War.

They say the Drug War is over. Don't be fooled. As long as drugs remain criminalized the Drug War will never be over.

When is the U.S. government going to finally realize that it can't legislate morality? Many people believe the answer to solving our drug problem is to simply tell people to say "no" to drugs but after being in practice for decades now the evidence shows this has failed miserably. People have been doing drugs for thousands of years and it's never going to stop. There will always be people who do drugs and those who become addicted.

Didn't we learn from the mistakes of Alcohol Prohibition in the 1920s/30s? It didn't work then, and drug prohibition certainly isn't working now. The failed Drug War has cost the U.S. taxpayers over a trillion dollars and has been in force for over seven decades. And the real tragedy here is all of the violence that has been associated with the Drug War and illegal drug trafficking. Drugs are more readily available and the Drug War has created a black market, gangs in every U.S. state, and powerful violent cartels south of the border and in other countries.

The laws have done more damage to this country than the drugs themselves. We have created more criminals out of drug users/addicts who should really be treated as medical patients. Wouldn't we be better off spending the Drug War funding on education, drug treatment and rehabilitation instead of failed law enforcement and incarceration? And not having to build more prisons?

We need to reevaluate our position on drug use in this country. I firmly believe we should decriminalize all drugs. Legalize marijuana and regulate it like alcohol in regards to the law, and create an atmosphere that doesn't stigmatize the drug user. I would never advocate anyone use dangerous hard drugs like meth, cocaine, heroin, etc. But the fact of life remains people will choose to use such drugs and become addicted. Countries in Europe have tried different strategies that have reduced the problems associated with drug use. Why can't the U.S. take these same approaches? We should adopt programs for hard drugs (meth, coke, heroin,etc.) like the Swiss heroin program (where addicts can get their drugs from medically supervised clinics) which has shown positive results in reducing violent crime and HIV infections and helps drug addicts to become stable and productive members of society.

Locking people up and throwing away the key is not the answer. When someone has a real drug problem and is addicted their main focus will always be to obtain and use drugs, regardless of any law. And putting a mark on someone's permanent record that will follow them for the rest of their lives will only hinder them to become productive members in society in getting jobs, student financial aid, etc.

There are many people against legalizing and/or decriminalizing drugs and have expressed many fears and dooms day scenarios but evidence has revealed this would simply NOT be the result. Portugal decriminalized drugs in 2001 and none of the nightmare scenarios touted by preenactment decriminalization opponents have become a reality.

And what are the ramifications of manufacturing, importing, and selling the drugs right here in the U.S? Wouldn't that create a new industry? Jobs? Tax revenue? And stop funding the violent cartels and eventually take away their power?

These are questions that I think once answered, will solve our drug problems and the days of the Drug War will be history.

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich" -- John F. Kennedy .

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:31 PM EST
Daniel The Mensch

Failed drug war is right. Actual marijuana usage seems to be completely unaffected by the War on Drugs. The percentages never move up or down more than two or three percent from decade to decade. When you step back and view the whole picture, the most negative impact marijuana has on society is all the god damn crime surrounding its production, transport and sale. We could take care of that with a few strokes of a pen.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:07 PM EST
Angry Left-532262

I also get so sick of the bull@!$%# line about "supporting mexican drug cartels".

I haven't smoked that dirty nasty filty mexican @!$%# in decades.

My local dispensary only sells 100% organic and locally grown buds.

I only smoked that filthy mexican @!$%# when I lived in SC and thats all you could find. Sticks and seeds and a bagful of headaches.

The @!$%# I smoke now has names...Blue Lemon Skunk, Deadhead Kush,Stinky Sweet, Afghoo, Blue Thunder....the only thing you can call that filthy mexican @!$%# is just that....@!$%#.

....and have you noticed the only people who are "anti pot" are the ones who have never tried but usually have a "story" about pots "devastating effects"??? I am a veterinarian with a Masters in Public Health. I smoked my entire way through college and even before sitting for the boards. I have never lost a house wife car or kids, never beat robbed killed anyone (minus military service), and have laughed my ass off the whole time. I work a 40 hour week as a veterinarian and have a couple small business start ups in the works. They can take their anti pot @!$%# and go @!$%# themselves.

Cheers guys, the next bowl is for you guys.

(and if you are interested in seeing what "meds" I have available to me please see here. If you guys are in Seattle I'd be honored to smoke with any of you guys.

http://medicalmarijuanaseattle.com/medicine

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:50 PM EST
OneDirtyRat

Angry Left:

While it's true that pot is the number one cash crop in the U.S. and many people get their weed from domestic growers, I have read reports that 60% of the cartels profit comes from weed sales. So it is still a major factor in supporting the cartels.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:22 AM EST
Daniel The Mensch

If pot were legal, they'd all have to find something else to do. I wouldn't mind seeing law enforcement agents re-tasked either.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:31 AM EST
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